> On 2010-09-21 17:36:19 +0100, Xah Lee said:
> > lisp had a come back in early 2000s, due to Paul Graham and Practical
> > Common Lisp,
> > • 〈Computer Language Popularity Trend〉
> > but seems to have gone on a steady decline since. But i think clojure
> > is now a new wave of lisp come-back.
> That's why there are *so many more good libraries* than when I was
> doing stuff actively in the early 2000s. Yes, I can see that makes
> complete sense: one must ignore things like that and focus on newsgroup
> traffic, because that's a really reliable indicator.
you missed the point due to your Common Lisp sensitivity, no doubt.
the question is not about whether there are more libs for Common Lisp, nor whether Common Lisp's popularity increased or decreased, or whether Xah's newsgroup chart is good indication of lisp popularity.
the question was, whether lisp has become more popular in late years, with respect to the whole computing industry. And, what useful info you might have to indicate one way or another. More specifically, i think so because largely due to Clojure, and recent thinking about the multi-core problem and how functional langs is supposed to solve it.
my newsgroup chart was there just to provide one ref point for the fact that lisp experienced a resurgence in early 2000s.
am often so frustrated by the tech geeking idiots. They never see the important points, but fret over minute details.
the question of popularity of lisp is a interesting question. Even though it is not a scientific question, but still a enjoyable hot gossip topic, and certainly has reasonable answers, and is in fact a important question for market research. If you want, you can think of it as a research problem in social statistics.
but the common tech geeking idiots don't understand social issues, they just take it as my lisp vs your lisp, my lang vs your lang, vi vs emacs, and went about fucking idiot shits on and on, on and on.
these idiots, what do they do other than my lang vs your lang all day?? Sure, that is also a enjoyable topic to rant and drivel about, but the problem is, they never saw there is a important social question behind it.
(for more about this, see:
• 〈Text Editors Popularity and Market Research〉
speaking of this... y'know how some programers have math background? and often physics, engineering, and sometimes literature. Though, it's rare, nay, none ever, that you find a programer also having a degree in social sciences (or psychology). That explains their idiocy, in topics of computing industry issues, such as UI design, lang popularity, trends, marketing, market research, logo design, human issues, ...
O, i so enjoy writing 'bout these idiots, let me continue my binge even with my near RSI symptomps... (god wants to fuck my hand up, i say to him “fuck u”) ... these shallow idiots... what to do with them?
Ok, maybe let's try a more constructive approach. Let's say, you are to write a essay, or report. You know, pretent you are now a journalist, or social scientist writing for some reputable social stat journal. Suppose your title is “Lisp Popularity in 2000s”. Now, i'm fairly sure the tech geekers in their life have read one or two such type of reports. So now, pretend you are such a social scientist, and try to write such a piece. Y'know? you probably want to provide a “abstract”, and lots of charts, stats, and references and citations. Y'know? it might take a year to do, but let's say you short of time and need to write it in 1 hour. Try your best at this mock report. See what u come up. Test ur writing skills, and you might pick up one or two social science research skills!
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